演講MP3+雙語文稿:與關于疫苗的錯誤信息作斗爭

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【演講者及介紹】Ethan Lindenberger

伊桑·林登伯格倡導科學。

【演講主題】為什么我們需要與關于疫苗的錯誤信息作斗爭

【中英文字幕】

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To start, I want to share with you guyssomething about my hometown of Norwalk, Ohio. Now, as this video stated, I amfrom Norwalk, which is an extremely small town, about 15,000 people. Andreally, in Norwalk, if you want to do something fun, you go to Walmart or drivehalf an hour to something more interesting. And for Norwalk, I've lived therefor my entire life, I'm a senior at the local public high school, and you know,it's something to where I really enjoy my small town. And I'm just a normalkid, you know, I lead debate clubs, I volunteer at my church.

作為開頭，我想向你們分享我的家鄉(xiāng)俄亥俄州諾瓦克市。好了，如前所述，我來自諾瓦克市，那是一個非常小的城鎮(zhèn)，大約一萬五千的人口數。說真的，在諾瓦克，如果想找些樂子，可以逛逛沃爾瑪超市，或是開半個小時車找更有趣的事做。在諾瓦克，我從小到大生長的地方，我就讀當地公立高中。你知道，這地方真的很棒，我真的很喜歡我的小鎮(zhèn)。我就像一般的孩子，你知道，帶領辯論社團，在教堂擔任義工。

00:43

And back in November of 2018, I made asmall Reddit post asking for advice on an issue that I was encountering that Ineeded some clarification on. And this issue, as was stated in theintroduction, was something towards vactions and how I was not immunized againstvarious diseases, including polio and measles, as well as influenza, HPV,hepatitis -- the standard vaccine someone my age would receive. Now, thisquestion I asked was simple and pretty strange, because, you know, I wanted toget vacted. That's kind of weird, but it happened, and then this turnedinto a public story, because I wanted to get vacted. So that was kind ofstrange, and then it blew up more, and I was doing interviews and talking tomore people, and again, I'm a normal kid, I'm not a scientist, I don't lead anon-profit, I am a pretty casual person, I'm wearing a hoodie.

回到 2018 年 11 月時，我在Reddit發(fā)布一則貼文希望大家給我一點建議。當時我面臨一個議題，需要有人幫我厘清這個議題，如同介紹時所述是有關接種疫苗以及我沒有接種各種疫苗的原因，包含小兒麻痹癥以及麻疹，還有流感、HPV、肝炎這些我這個年紀的人可能接種的疫苗。好了，我發(fā)布的問題很簡單也很奇怪。因為，是的，我想要接種疫苗。這有點怪，但事情就這樣發(fā)生了。接著這件事就變成一個公眾議題。就因為我想要接種疫苗。那有點奇怪，而事件繼續(xù)發(fā)酵，我開始接受訪問并與許多人談話。我再重申一次，我是個一般的孩子，不是科學家，沒有帶領非營利組織，我就是個一般人，我現在甚至穿著連帽衣呢。

01:31

（Laughter）

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01:33

Because of this question and this story,because I wanted to get vacted and this interesting situation I was in, Isaw that I quickly was in this public setting of an extremely importantcontroversy and discussion taking place. Now, I saw that the stories andheadlines were pretty accurate for most part, you know, "After defyinganti-vax mom, Ohio teen expresses why he got vacted." Pretty accurate,pretty true. And, as stated, I testified in front of a Senate committee, sothere, they said, "This teen who self-vacted just ripped his mom'santi-vaxer beliefs in front of Congress." OK, I didn't really do that, butthat's fine. And certain news outlets took it a little further. "'Godknows how I'm still alive': Teenager, 18, finally gets vacted and attackshis anti-vax parents."

由于我的問題以及這整件事，由于我想接種疫苗以及當時我所處的有趣情勢，我發(fā)現，我一下就處于發(fā)生這極為重要的議題以及爭辯的公開場合中。我看見的報導和頭條大部分都非常正確。你知道，“挺身對抗反疫苗母親，俄亥俄州青年解釋為什么要接種疫苗?！狈浅Ｕ_，非常真實。而且，我在參議院委員會前作證，于是他們說“這個自己去打疫苗的年輕人，在國會前粉碎他媽媽反對打疫苗的信念?！焙茫也]有真的那樣做，不過沒關系。而且某些新聞扯得更遠：“天曉得我怎么還活著：這個 18 歲的年輕人終于接種疫苗并抨擊他反疫苗的父母?！?/p>

02:20

So I did not attack my parents, that's not accurateat all. And you know, really, my story was more about controversy. It was abouthow my mom was bad and I was good, and I was ripping her a new one. Not true.Not what was happening. I never was rude towards my mother, and even in publicsettings where I expressed how her beliefs were misinformed, I said that shewas a loving mother, and that's important to understand.

我才沒有抨擊父母那報導根本不確實，那真的將我的故事報導成爭議，像是我媽很壞以及我很善良，而且我對她展開嚴厲的批判。這些都不是真的，這些都沒有發(fā)生。我從來不對我媽不禮貌，甚至在公眾場合我解釋她的理念是被誤導時，我會強調，重要的是一定要了解，她是個慈愛的媽媽

02:44

Because a lot of people, I think, in thescientific community that understand why vaccines are so important, can reallybe confused by someone who would not vacte. Really, we can compare it tosomeone not taking their child to the ER. That's a very dangerous situation tobe in and it shows some lack of empathy towards your children in some regards.And really, I can understand that, I can. But my mom, she was misinformed andmisled by sources that convinced her that if she was a loving parent, shewouldn't vacte.

因為很多人，我認為身處科學界中的人了解疫苗的重要性，會對不愿接種疫苗的人不解。確實，這就像有人拒絕送小朋友去急診室，身處在這種環(huán)境之下非常危險。這也顯示，在某些層面少了對孩子的那份同理心。說真的，我能明白這些，我可以。但是我媽受到一些消息誤導，這些消息說服她慈愛的父母是不會讓孩子接種疫苗的。

03:11

Now, when I encountered this and I talkedto my mom, it didn't obviously go well at first, because I was wanting to dosomething that she thought would either cause autism or maim me for the rest ofmy life, and I said I wanted to do this -- didn't really fly, didn't really gowell. But the thing that I found interesting was that when I had started to getinto this circumstance, do these interviews, there was one question I proposed.Wasn't a positive one: What in the world have I gotten myself into? That's whatI asked constantly, because, again, I am not an expert, I am a normal kid, andnow I'm talking to CNN and Fox News about a scientific discussion that really,should I be facilitating, should I be commenting on? And a lot of peoplequestioned that, and for good reason.

而當我無意間得知這件事時，我與我媽媽談的一開始并不是非常順利。因為我想做的事，她認為這件事會使我罹患自閉癥或導致終身殘廢，我卻說我想接種，結果行不通，進展也不順利。不過我發(fā)現有一件有趣的事，當我身處某些情境接受這些訪談時，我總有一個問題，雖然不是有建設性的問題：我究竟給自己招惹了什么。我不斷問自己，因為，再一次重申，我并非專業(yè)人士，只是一般的孩子，但現在我卻不斷在 CNN 以及福斯新聞上討論科學議題，那真的是，我該繼續(xù)下去嗎？該繼續(xù)發(fā)表意見嗎？很多人對此感到質疑，他們有非常正當的理由

03:51

But I never claimed things I didn'tunderstand, I talked about my personal experiences. And even at the Senatehearing, I just talked about how misinformation is dangerous. My mom got a lotof her beliefs from social media, from Facebook and from organizations thatwere allowing their platforms to push lies that were very dangerous.

不過，我不對不懂的事發(fā)表言論。我所說的都與我個人經驗有關。在參議院公聽會中，我也只提到錯誤的訊息有多么危險，我媽從社群媒體上得到許多看法，不論是臉書或是一些組織，他們使用的平臺尚未禁止發(fā)布不實的言論，那些言論非常危險。

04:07

Now, I also saw that as I was doing this --and I was doing this as respectfully as I could, as accurately as I could -- Iwas getting a lot of criticism, a lot of very angry people. When I was in DCfor that testimony I gave, I was looking around the office building and threeladies got in an elevator with me and said I'm the reason their children arebeing maimed and murdered and I'm basically Hitler. So that was fun.

在我發(fā)表言論同時，我也看見類似情形發(fā)生在我身上。我盡我所能展現尊重及保持正確性，有許多對我的批評，許多對我感到非常生氣的人。為了提供證詞，我到華盛頓特區(qū)，我記得，當我在辦公大樓閑逛時，有三位女士跟我一起搭乘電梯，他們說我是導致他們孩子殘廢和死亡的元兇，我跟希特勒沒有兩樣。有趣吧

04:28

（Laughter）

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04:30

So really, for most circumstances, for mostteenagers and most people, when they get criticized, it leads to doubt. Andthat doubt leads to questioning, and that questioning leads to quitting.Because, when you have a topic that you're interested in, or a movement thatyou want to be a part of, and you're taking a stance and saying what's true,good ideas don't avoid criticism. And for especially young people, they have ahard time dealing with that, and these important discussions that need youngpeople to take a part in, it takes a lot of commitment.

真的，大部分的情況下，大多數的青少年及大多數的人受到批判時，都會開始懷疑。懷疑會引發(fā)質疑，而質疑會讓人放棄。你感興趣的議題或是想參與的行動出現時，你表明立場并捍衛(wèi)真理，因為良好的理念不怕他人的批評。對于特別年輕的人來說，面對這類的事情總是顯得棘手，這些需要年輕人參與討論的重要議題，需投入許多心力。

04:59

I'm not saying that I'm amazing, but here'swhat's important: through me joining this movement and this importantscientific discussion, here's what happened. Facebook changed their platform.They were going to change how they approach anti-vax content. Amazon evenremoved misinformed books about autism and vaccines. And recently, GoFundMetook down anti-vax campaigns. We're talking about how movements like this arecausing actual change, actually impacting the way this game is played and themisinformation that's lying to people and convincing them of very dangerousideas.

我不是在夸耀自己是多么棒，但接下來重點來了。透過我參與這項行動，以及這項重要的科學探討，這些事情發(fā)生了。臉書的平臺不一樣了，他們改變方式處理反疫苗相關內容，亞馬遜甚至將自閉癥和疫苗接種信息有誤的書下架。就在最近，GoFundMe 取消了反接種疫苗的活動，我們所說的是經由這類行動如何造成實質上的改變，影響賽局的進行，影響騙人的錯誤訊息，影響說服人們的危險想法。

05:27

Now, before I leave, because I only have ashort amount of time, I want to give you one important thing to keep in mind.One important takeaway from this all. What you can do and what I did. I didn'tdo amazing research and studies and take information and present it to people;I didn't have deep, intellectual, scientific debates with people. All I did wasshare my story. And that's enough for most people: to understand the anecdotalexperiences, the real people behind the data. Because data doesn't resonatewith people. People resonate with people. And you have to keep that in mind,because when you are talking about a topic, and you're sharing your story, andsharing what is important, you stay authentic. Stay authentic to the data, tothe information, to the importance of this topic.

現在，我只剩一小段時間就結束了。我想請你們將一件重要的事牢記心中，這件事遠比其他事情來的重要，你可以做些什么以及我做過什么。我沒有嘔心瀝血的調查以及研究，沒有得到信息并呈現給人們，我沒有與他人進行艱深費盡心思的科學探討，我只是將我的故事分享出去，對大部分的人來說已經足夠了。去了解一些傳聞數據之外的真實人物，因為數據不會與人產生共鳴，但人會與人產生共鳴。你們必須在心中牢記這點。當談到某些議題，你分享你的故事，分享什么是重要的。維持自己的可信度，維持數據信息的可信度，和議題的重要性。

06:10

If I was talking to an individual and theysaid, "Why are vaccines important?" I would say nothing alongside anyother answer, I would not in any way fathomably give them answer outside of: peopleare dying, and that's important. And that children are dying, and that'simportant. And that we're having disease outbreaks that should not be here. AndI believe, as John Boyle put it, these diseases should be in history books andnot in our communities. So because of that, you need to make a personaldecision to stand up for truth. You need to make a personal decision foryourself to say, "This is accurate, this is what's real, and these liesare not OK." Because it started with me doing that on a personal level.

假設我和某個人談話時，他們問：“為什么接種疫苗重要？”我沒有其他答案，也不會透過任何方式給出以下回答外的答案：因為人們會死去，這很重要。孩子會死去，很重要。這也會引起本不該發(fā)生的疾病。我相信，就像約翰博伊爾所說，這些疾病應該只出現在歷史課本上，而非繼續(xù)存在于我們之中。因為這樣，你必須下定決心捍衛(wèi)真理。為了自己下定決心并說：「這是正確的，這是真的那些謊言是不好的?！惯@件事是從我個人開始著手進行的。

06:46

I wasn't going from small town to Senate ina day. It wasn't like, I go to bed, I wake up and there's Senator Isakson,asking me questions about vaccines. It was a slow progression and it startedwith me saying, "This is true, my mom doesn't believe it, but that'sOK." Because that doesn't change the truth, doesn't change what's accurateand what's important. And honestly, the biggest thing, this whole idea ofunbreakable: remain unbroken. When you stand up for what's true and you havethat criticism, and you're trying to cause a movement, don't sway.

我不是一天之內就從小鎮(zhèn)到參議院，不是說，睡了一覺，起床后艾薩克森參議員就在那邊等著問我疫苗接種的相關問題。這是一個很漫長的過程。事情會開始是因為我說「這是真的」 「雖然我媽媽不相信，不過沒關系。」 因為事實不會因此而不一樣，正確以及重要的部分也不會改變。說真的，最重要的問題是這個堅不可摧的想法依舊無法被打破。你為真理挺身而出時，同時也會有對你的批判。當你試著做些什么時，千萬不要受到動搖。

07:16

Thank you.

謝謝

07:17

（Applause）

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